DIY Oil Change

[missourimule]

I can't find the answer to this question anywhere no matter how many places I have checked so I am throwing this out for anyone's consideration. I posted this previously over at the issue regarding jack points but since this is oil related I will post it again in this thread. I'm really stumped.
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This is really a screwy deal. Not wanting to use the wrong part I happened onto something yesterday which thoroughly confused me. And I'll pass it along for anyone who cares to comment. The original oil filter that came off my 2011 Forte had the number 26300-35503. Seems that part is not the same oil filter that NAPA calls for this vehicle. It calls for #7356 which is a WIX filter 57356. But the OEM oil filter cross that I took off the car references to NAPA 21334, also WIX 51334. (the first number is the only difference) The NAPA filter that it cross references to matches the size and shape of the OEM filter but is not the one that the specs call for. Part # 57356 is a skinnier and longer filter and the other filter 51334 is more substantial looking.

I just called the KIA dealer and he confirms that the correct part number is 26300-35503 which is the same specs as the WIX/NAPA 51334/21334. I told the parts manager that this wasn't supposed to fit and he said he didn't know what to make of this. He said there are only two filters they use; this one and the cartridge filter. When I ran 26300-35503 (the filter I took off the car), the cross reference tables said it was not compatible!!!! Go figure. If anyone can explain this, I'm all eyes.

Also, the filter that I took off the vehicle is marked for both Hyundai and Kia.

I've also checked the other auto parts suppliers and the same thing applies. No answers. And I'm not getting it. The clearance for the 51344 (26300-35503 OEM filter) is more than adequate without the need for a skinny longer filter.

The Kia Soul will take the 51344 and the 2010 Forte will also take that filter. The Hyundai Elantra Touring will also accept this filter.

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[LiveReckless010]

I got tired quick of reading all these posts lol, too many different viewpoints...

Well I guess Ill just contribute my viewpoints!

FACT #1:
ANY dealership will say and do anything they can to avoid ANY warranty work. Its just the way it works, they HAVE to make money, if they constantly do warranty work, they make NONE. Hell, I could change my air filter with the factory one and they would STILL try to bail out of doing warranty work to any intake related damage. Nature of the business! THIS issue is what started the Mag-Moss Warranty Act, because too many dealerships do this type of "scam" to make money and avoid honoring the warranty.

FACT #2:

YES! The oil you use DOES make a difference in fuel economy and engine life. Trust me, I work at a Porsche dealership and these guys know their stuff! (Im the detailer for the dealership) Also, I had a 95 F-150 5.0L with almost 200,000 miles on it and it ran like the day it came off the lot, why? because of the oil I put in it, I never took it to places to change it and if I did, it was the dealership and EVEN THEN would i notice a difference in fuel economy and responsiveness of the engine. (I had my 1st oil change done on my Koup, by the dealership for free, and when i got it back it ran like s*** for a while until either i got used to it or it somehow started running better)

FACT #3:

We all live in different weather climates (for the most part), therefore the atmosphere is different, weather conditions are different, cleanliness of the air is different, there are a LOT of variables in play. Some people that live in areas where the climate doesnt drastically change may not have to worry about using different oils for different seasons. In Texas seasons (with my truck), I always had a winter oil and a summer oil. I have yet to find the best oils for my Koup because Ive only had it since Oct 2010.

Overall, I think that there is no right or wrong answer. If you like going to the dealer for the "point your finger" ability, fine. I personally choose to do it myself, get better results (both in the fact of changing the oil AND knowing that i changed my filter/crush ring) then if something goes wrong and the engine blows (which it most likely wont because of an oil issue) then Ill pull the Mag-Moss Act and win it. That simple. Because ive never heard of an engine blowing because of using a certain oil, unless you made the mistake of thinking what was in an oil bottle for liquid silicate *reflects back on cash for clunkers days for a moment* The only time ive seen an engine blow from an oil issue is because it got that baby diaper surprise of oil/coolant goodness and thats not even BECAUSE of the oil its because a gasket went. Also, NEVER trust your dealer, because even if they did it, they will still try to fight out of doing warranty... "oh well we know we did it right, our techs are certified to work on our cars, YOU must have drove it too hard" Thats probably one of the lines they'll use.

[~clover]

For future readers, read post 22 on this thread: oil change price

[AutoItKing]

For those of us too lazy to click and scroll:

Originally Posted by hpicracing

I know this is an old thread, but for future readers I'd like to add something. Kia cannot void your manufacturer's warranty because you do your own oil changes. If any dealer tells you your warranty is void because you did your own oil change, report them to Kia consumer affairs. It says right in your warranty manual "Maintenance service can be performed by any qualified service outlet or by the owner". For anyone who's worried that the dealers will tell you that because you don't have official proof that you changed the oil your warranty is void that's BS too... the warranty manual says "Warranty coverage will not be denied solely because there is no record of maintenance". Keep your receipts and records though and you shouldn't have any problems with getting warranty service. But if you do just point out what the warranty manual says and report the dealer to Kia consumer affairs.
I had a defect in with my gear shifter a few months ago and the dealer said they weren't able to cover it because they never did a pre-purchase inspection... I reported them to Kia consumer affairs and they resolved it within a day and I had my issue fixed under warranty. I haven't had any trouble with my dealer trying to BS me since.
Hope this post helps someone...

Yep, that pretty much sums it up.

Thanks ~clover!

[SmooveG]

Hey guys! Just for DIY'ers... had to get my first oil change.

There was a big sale on Motomaster synthetic this past weekend here in Toronto. $20 for 5L jug.

I went to my dealer to pick up OEM oil filters. $8 each

Didn't want to jack my car up and when I shopped around a lot of shops didn't want to do it, charged the regular oil change price (even when I had filter and oil), or only took off $10 bringing the lowest deal to $35.

There is a place does do it AND gives you a receipt for $15 and its QUICK! If you are in Toronto and nearby the Ikea/Cdn tire area at Hwy 401 and Leslie ave, theres a place called AMCO Lube. No frills, just in-and-out.

They did my oil changes for my old car cheap and quick. Makes me feel foolish that I even shopped them for my first change with the Koup.

So in the end it was $43 for synthetic oil and filter change. Engine sounds a lot better in cold starts.

[SLEEPS]

Originally Posted by LiveReckless010

I got tired quick of reading all these posts lol, too many different viewpoints...

Well I guess Ill just contribute my viewpoints!

FACT #1:
ANY dealership will say and do anything they can to avoid ANY warranty work. Its just the way it works, they HAVE to make money, if they constantly do warranty work, they make NONE. Hell, I could change my air filter with the factory one and they would STILL try to bail out of doing warranty work to any intake related damage. Nature of the business! THIS issue is what started the Mag-Moss Warranty Act, because too many dealerships do this type of "scam" to make money and avoid honoring the warranty.

Actually this is false, all over the place. A dealership can not void warranty because they feel like it. Warranty does pay for work and parts, so they still make money on that. I thought you worked at a dealership?

Bad and not changed properly oil can and will blow your engine. Have you ever seen a oil pump try to pump gunk through the engine? Your right, pistons, rings and bearings dont need fluid clean and good oil, its more likely to blow the head gasket.

Certified techs are far better off to work on your car then the average joe, if you have seen as many avergae joes and even low quality "cheaper" shops work on cars and then send them to the dealer because they cant figure out what is wrong or what they just messed up, you may have some more real life facts to add to your statement.

Just because you or someone you know had a bad expierence does not mean every dealers sucks, voids warranty and rips everyone off.