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Old 02-24-2010, 06:06 PM   #16 (permalink)
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They're all going to fall down in time, IMO. You have constant tugging on a now glued boot by the shock piston moving up and down...constantly.

Glue isn't going to last for long...need a better way to secure it to the top of strut, if that's even what should be done in the first place. The dust boot is NOT designed to be stuck to the top, but is intended to remain in the correct position on the shock piston.

If Kia corporate gets behind this curious fix officially, that would be amusing!
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Old 02-24-2010, 06:25 PM   #17 (permalink)
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You are 'slightly' off... the boot is not supposed to move, and should always remain stationary at the top of the shock rod. The shock body moves along the lower portion of the rod, and only comes into play with the bump stop/boot on extreme impacts/loading (maximum compression). Technically, the lowest edge of the boot may have some slight contact with the top of the shock body but this is only on maximum extension - a feat only acheived on a regular basis by the General Lee or in the case of a Forte being jacked up or on a hoist.

Kia Canada has an 'official' fix... I'm sure the US has sometime similar either existing or in the works.
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Old 02-24-2010, 06:53 PM   #18 (permalink)
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But it should move with the rod while stationary. With it glued to the top assembly, the rod is pulling at it with each up and down movement of the shock...thousands of times, literally. And then you have all the water(rain--wet roads) and dirt working against any adhesive under there.

It would be better to be able to put something on the shock piston(rod) itself, very high up(so that it can't interfere with shock piston compression)...maybe a snap ring or even a small band of adhesive there. Something to keep the dust boot from falling down.
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Old 02-25-2010, 09:54 PM   #19 (permalink)
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Seems like a more pliable boot with a hose clamp type fitting would be the long term fix.

From the pics above, it looks like the boot is made of rigid plastic and would be more prone to breaking loose because of the flexing involved.

The first pic looks like it has an o-ring on the male side (the boot) that would snap into the female side of the bump stop...it looks worn out IMO.
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Old 02-26-2010, 12:47 AM   #20 (permalink)
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As illustrated below, the boot doesn't have anything to do with the shock body itself. There is no seal or fastener in this case. You may be thinking of off-road shocks where the dust boot is physically fixed to the shock body, or like a boot on the end of a steer rack, but this is quite different, as it serves a different purpose.

The left most illustration is a strut at rest, half way through travel, (so car parked on the street). The boot has fallen, and is resting on the top of the shock, creating the noise. This is technically not exactly what is happening, but I don't have time to get into an animated illustration tonight, so we'll go with the Mickey Mouse version. As the bright red shock body travels up and down, it will carry the boot with it, and occasionally on sharper impacts "clunk" into it, creating the noise.

The middle illustration is a fully extended shock, as viewed in my original photographs. Here you see how the shock can come out of the boot, once the boot is secured to the top plate.

The right illustration shows the car back off the hoist, and the boot secured. The shock body has a clearance between it and the boot, so that they do not generally touch, or cause problems. The boot is there for protection, for shielding, but not for sealing. The bump stop inside the boot is what makes the noise, the boot is just a thin plastic cover.



The green is the top plate (spring hat), brown is bump stop, black is boot cut away, blue is shock rod, red is shock body.

The gap I have illustrated between the bump stop and shock rod is the unintentional gap created by the change in temperatures/tolerances that allows the boot/bumpstop to fall in the first place. Kia intended (as most other manufacturers have) to have a tighter fit in there, so it would naturally keep itself raised.

I hope this clears up not only the functions of the parts involved, but that Kia didn't neglect a fastener, nor did anything wear out... this is a simple case of a manufacturing tolerance being exceeded and by an amount measured in tenths of thousands of an inch. Literally, a hair.
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Old 03-26-2010, 02:35 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Does anyone know the TSB# for this issue or if there is one, the dealer couldnt find it. My noise has stopped since its somewhat warmer outside but still wanted to let him know but we couldnt find any TSB's on the issue
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Old 03-26-2010, 02:41 PM   #22 (permalink)
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perhaps kia canada has not put it on gsw yet.

you could always forward this link to youre dealer.
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Old 03-26-2010, 03:58 PM   #23 (permalink)
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Ive tried but they wont replace it unless there is a TSB or KB on it because its not making the noise now since its summer
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Old 03-26-2010, 04:02 PM   #24 (permalink)
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the shop verified that it is the boot or boots not staying up?
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Old 03-26-2010, 04:28 PM   #25 (permalink)
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the shop verified that it is the boot or boots not staying up?
Thats the problem they cant since its now warm here, the noise only appears in cold weather and happened over the winter, but by the time i had time to take it to the dealer its now warmer and no longer makes that noise. Therefore without a KB or TSB they cant fix it
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Old 03-26-2010, 04:31 PM   #26 (permalink)
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hmmm. warm or cold. if its the boot issue (as you posted in this thread) its simple to have a look to confirm.
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hmmm. warm or cold. if its the boot issue (as you posted in this thread) its simple to have a look to confirm.
Well thats the thing, I looked when it was like 10 degrees here, the boot was down, and made that noise. Now that it is warmer here in the 60's I jacked up the car again and the boot is fine and never makes that noise anymore its so weird, and thats why they cant fix it now. That is also why the TSB is probably just in canada and not the US or just in cold parts of the US.
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Old 03-29-2010, 10:17 PM   #28 (permalink)
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It's a "Tech Tip" in Canada, not technically a TSB. I'm not sure if the US Kia has access to it or how that works, but the number for us is " TT0220100121 "

Hope that helps.
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