The KOUP has an even "lighter" clutch (5-spd manual) ... I know this because I drove Kia_Fourplay's KOUP and noticed significantly less resistance.... Can't really say much about the accelerator...
Clutch and Accelerator, Far too Light
I was driving my sisters Mazda 3 today and after hopping back into my Forte it felt terrible.
I just couldn't get use to the light feel of the accelerator and clutch peddle, I kept on over-reving the engine on take off.
I thought the Forte was just as good to drive in all other areas but if only somehow I could have the Mazda 3's feel with the peddles it would make the Forte a much more easier car to drive plus more enjoyment.
I was wondering what others think
I just couldn't get use to the light feel of the accelerator and clutch peddle, I kept on over-reving the engine on take off.
I thought the Forte was just as good to drive in all other areas but if only somehow I could have the Mazda 3's feel with the peddles it would make the Forte a much more easier car to drive plus more enjoyment.
I was wondering what others think
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You have got to be kidding! So, you like a heavy clutch pedal and a gas pedal that you have to force? 99% of car owners are looking for the opposite.I was driving my sisters Mazda 3 today and after hopping back into my Forte it felt terrible.
I just couldn't get use to the light feel of the accelerator and clutch peddle, I kept on over-reving the engine on take off.
I thought the Forte was just as good to drive in all other areas but if only somehow I could have the Mazda 3's feel with the peddles it would make the Forte a much more easier car to drive plus more enjoyment.
I was wondering what others think
My guess is you are a Mazda 3 owner bashing the Kia.
You have got to be kidding! So, you like a heavy clutch pedal and a gas pedal that you have to force? 99% of car owners are looking for the opposite.
My guess is you are a Mazda 3 owner bashing the Kia.
I wouldn't mind a heavy clutch... So I guess I count for your 1% of people...
And why would you want a heavy clutch exactly? This I'd like to hear...I wouldn't mind a heavy clutch... So I guess I count for your 1% of people...
why would you want a soft clutch. if you like performance a stiff clutch is where its at. every performance vehicle i have driven feels like your foot will be shot off the pedal if your not careful. i just picked up my forte yesterday and i assure you the first thing I will be doing is upgrading the clutch to get that stiffer feel i crave. if your just looking for comfort a soft clutch is fine though. it really depends on the driver, but I highly doubt 95% of people like a soft clutch.
I highly doubt someone would pay for a membership to a Kia forum if they didn't own one and owned a Mazda 3. My guess is your talking out of your behind.You have got to be kidding! So, you like a heavy clutch pedal and a gas pedal that you have to force? 99% of car owners are looking for the opposite.
My guess is you are a Mazda 3 owner bashing the Kia.
I don't mind the soft clutch. I have driven farm equipment that had large manual clutches that you had to have good legs to constantly shift all day. My Forte has one of the lightest clutches of the cars I have owned so far, but this car is also not a manual clutch so I wouldn't have expected the springy feel of a manual clutch. Just took me a couple of hours to get used to it.
I would also rather have a heavier clutch
this clutch is so light that it makes takeoff difficult sometimes
why would anyone want that?
this clutch is so light that it makes takeoff difficult sometimes
why would anyone want that?
I agree on one hand.. the car is touchy on take off hard to get a feel for the soft clutch and the super light gas pedal.. but on the other hand when the car is going and you want to shift fast the lighter pedels make it very easy to do, so I think its a bit of a trade off.
thou I've driven many cars, trucks with 5, speeds a couple of 4 speed trucks and some split shift heavy trucks, and a couple of cars, a mitshu and a nissan etc.. list goes on.
even with other cars nothing drives/shifts like the koup lol even older kia spectras seem to be alittle more direct then the koup is. *kia spectra is my friends car*
I just think this car is not really set up for slow take off it seems IMO if the gas pedal was a bit more stiff and less like a feather takeing off would be much easier
thou I've driven many cars, trucks with 5, speeds a couple of 4 speed trucks and some split shift heavy trucks, and a couple of cars, a mitshu and a nissan etc.. list goes on.
even with other cars nothing drives/shifts like the koup lol even older kia spectras seem to be alittle more direct then the koup is. *kia spectra is my friends car*
I just think this car is not really set up for slow take off it seems IMO if the gas pedal was a bit more stiff and less like a feather takeing off would be much easier
less chance of your foot slipping off the clutch pedal if less force is being applied to your foot, so if would be a little safer. Imagine sitting at a red light and being lazy you just have the clutched pressed down in gear with no brake applied (on an even surface) and mean while you have the tunes cranked and accidentally slip your foot off due to the force being pressed back and you lurch forward into traffic and get t-boned in the drivers side.
More than likely it would only lurch a little before stalling out unless you pressed on the accelerator when the car lurched. Having a harder to press accelerator would be a little better.
More than likely it would only lurch a little before stalling out unless you pressed on the accelerator when the car lurched. Having a harder to press accelerator would be a little better.
Yeh, right. Sounds like you don't drive performance vehicles. BTW, a quick clutch isn't the same thing as a heavy clutch. It's about drag and resistance at the pedal. Heavy clutches are universally panned by the automotive media and performance enthusiasts, period.why would you want a soft clutch. if you like performance a stiff clutch is where its at. every performance vehicle i have driven feels like your foot will be shot off the pedal if your not careful. i just picked up my forte yesterday and i assure you the first thing I will be doing is upgrading the clutch to get that stiffer feel i crave. if your just looking for comfort a soft clutch is fine though. it really depends on the driver, but I highly doubt 95% of people like a soft clutch.
I highly doubt someone would pay for a membership to a Kia forum if they didn't own one and owned a Mazda 3. My guess is your talking out of your behind.
I didn't pay for a membershp here, are you kidding? LMAO!
What you are describing is 'vague' clutch feel, not soft or heavy. Try driving a subaru with a clutch sometime. You'll be glad your Kia clutch is light. Also, having trouble getting a smooth start relates to where the clutch pedal engages or grabs, not the resistance level at the pedal. On top of that Kia DBW seems a bit touchy with a dead spot. Audi has a similar problem with their DBW, so don't feel too bad.I agree on one hand.. the car is touchy on take off hard to get a feel for the soft clutch and the super light gas pedal.. but on the other hand when the car is going and you want to shift fast the lighter pedels make it very easy to do, so I think its a bit of a trade off.
thou I've driven many cars, trucks with 5, speeds a couple of 4 speed trucks and some split shift heavy trucks, and a couple of cars, a mitshu and a nissan etc.. list goes on.
even with other cars nothing drives/shifts like the koup lol even older kia spectras seem to be alittle more direct then the koup is. *kia spectra is my friends car*
I just think this car is not really set up for slow take off it seems IMO if the gas pedal was a bit more stiff and less like a feather takeing off would be much easier
Same with the gas pedal...it's touchy, but that has nothing to do with being stiff or feather light in its action.
What you are describing is 'vague' clutch feel, not soft or heavy. Try driving a subaru with a clutch sometime. You'll be glad your Kia clutch is light. Also, having trouble getting a smooth start relates to where the clutch pedal engages or grabs, not the resistance level at the pedal. On top of that Kia DBW seems a bit touchy with a dead spot. Audi has a similar problem with their DBW, so don't feel too bad.
Same with the gas pedal...it's touchy, but that has nothing to do with being stiff or feather light in its action.
ok I undersand what your saying about the clutch, some release earlier then others, middle, top etc..
but the tension of the gas pedel is indeed light as a feather there is nothing to it at all in fact due to the lack of tension IMO is half the problem its hard to know how much or how little gas your giving I have to agree about the dead spot that is another big part of the problem so between the 2 its something that kia should address
The gas pedal is feather light and touchy, I agree. But there's no throttle cable, so it becomes a matter of how much resistance they designed into it. I find that stiffer gas pedals(almost non-existant these days) are the ones that give you fits because the movement of the pedal isn't linear and when you push throught the resistance there's suddenly too much accel. It's hard to modulate.ok I undersand what your saying about the clutch, some release earlier then others, middle, top etc..
but the tension of the gas pedel is indeed light as a feather there is nothing to it at all in fact due to the lack of tension IMO is half the problem its hard to know how much or how little gas your giving I have to agree about the dead spot that is another big part of the problem so between the 2 its something that kia should address
Kia can try and address it, but they are hardly alone in this. I had a 2001 Jetta that had a gas pedal very much like the Kia forte. I used to scratch out in first unintentionally if I hadn't driven it in awhile because it was super light and ultra responsive. I'd still much prefer that to a dead pedal, or one that's too stiff. Besides, Kia didn't make it that way by accident, to be sure.
A vague clutch pedal that doesn't have a consistent point of engagement would be an issue. Again, Subaru's are notorius for this. And their clutch pedals have a distinct 'heavy' feel...surprising because they are hydraulically assisted. They are no fun, let me tell you. Every start out in 1st gear is an adventure. As to how a clutch pedal is weighted, light is much preferred to heavy, despite what that clueless newbie said earlier.
My current cars are a 2004 Audi S4, 2008 Subaru Legacy GT, and the Kia Forte(with AT). The others are manual trans. I got the AT in the Kia because I like the manual shift feature in a AT...I wanted to try it out.
you dont pay attention do you. i was talking about the guy you made accusations against. learn to read. And I have worked for and still work for several car dealerships, including audi, acura, nissan, pontiac, mitsu, and toyota. Have driven cars from every make. Perhaps you shouldn't jump to conclusions.Yeh, right. Sounds like you don't drive performance vehicles. BTW, a quick clutch isn't the same thing as a heavy clutch. It's about drag and resistance at the pedal. Heavy clutches are universally panned by the automotive media and performance enthusiasts, period.
I didn't pay for a membershp here, are you kidding? LMAO!
What a hornets nest I have stirred up, by the way I do own a Kia Forte.
When I said I would like a heavier feeling clutch and gas peddle it doesn't need to be like a truck, I have driven lots of trucks in my time as a Firefighter. I would just like a little more weight to the both peddles this would make driving in traffic much more easier, at present I have to think about each take-off so not to over-rev the motor.
Lots of cars have drive by wire throttles and still have a weightier feel to the peddle, just wish there was some way I could fix this.
When I said I would like a heavier feeling clutch and gas peddle it doesn't need to be like a truck, I have driven lots of trucks in my time as a Firefighter. I would just like a little more weight to the both peddles this would make driving in traffic much more easier, at present I have to think about each take-off so not to over-rev the motor.
Lots of cars have drive by wire throttles and still have a weightier feel to the peddle, just wish there was some way I could fix this.
I really don't know what's needed to make take off easier, but I agree with you. I have to think about it every time; one month old and I still don't get used to it. Specially when traffic stops going uphill, it's a bit tough for me still.I would just like a little more weight to the both peddles this would make driving in traffic much more easier, at present I have to think about each take-off so not to over-rev the motor.
Lots of cars have drive by wire throttles and still have a weightier feel to the peddle, just wish there was some way I could fix this.
I still over-rev the motor from time to time; I hate stalling the engine, but the clutch doesn't help much about that.
I agree with you guys on this...
You must be near to braindead. You quoted my post in your first response. Now you say you were talking to someone else? Let me guess, used car salesman, LOL.you dont pay attention do you. i was talking about the guy you made accusations against. learn to read. And I have worked for and still work for several car dealerships, including audi, acura, nissan, pontiac, mitsu, and toyota. Have driven cars from every make. Perhaps you shouldn't jump to conclusions.
The problem is the DBW(i.e. the gas pedal). It's a known issue. The Forte also has a relatively small diameter clutch, and not beefed up regarding the springs on the clutch disc/pressure plate itself. It's going to feel light by design. Why anyone would expect a small car weighing 2700 lbs and using small 4 cyl engines to have heavy feeling clutch pedals is beyond me. Go drive a 09-10 Civic, Corrola, Mazda 3, Lancer etc and see how the clutch pedal feels on those cars. Believe me, there would be a LOT more complaints from a heavy clutch and a stiff gas pedal...LOTS more.What a hornets nest I have stirred up, by the way I do own a Kia Forte.
When I said I would like a heavier feeling clutch and gas peddle it doesn't need to be like a truck, I have driven lots of trucks in my time as a Firefighter. I would just like a little more weight to the both peddles this would make driving in traffic much more easier, at present I have to think about each take-off so not to over-rev the motor.
Lots of cars have drive by wire throttles and still have a weightier feel to the peddle, just wish there was some way I could fix this.
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