[snoweagle]

Welcome to the thread on oil changes. All are welcomed. I don't care if you are a DIY or you pay some body to do it.

There is a lot of discussion about oil changes out there. I will tell you what I know about them. I just talking to my dealer today about it today. I will pass on the warning he gave me today.

First I will start with the warning. Do not use anything but approved oil filters on your KIA cars. If you do and something happens, it could and most likely will destroy your warranty. I can not stress hard enough about this subject and he said read your owners manual and it will tell it in the owners manual. So do not mess with anything that destroy your warranty.

KIA gives a very nice warranty. The best in the business. It would be a shame by saving a couple of dollars you destroy your warranty. Be careful.

There are a lot of stuff we can talk about. Hope to see you all on this thread. :wink2:

 

[17929]

Oh I am sure you will. Get ready! :eek2:

 

[snoweagle]

I am ready if you are.

 

[snoweagle]

To continue on the conversation. For people that has a new KIA. First oil change the dealer recommends at 3000 miles. After that it is every 5000 miles. How cheap the oil changes are There is no reason to go any father than that on oil changes. Regular oil would be fine if you want to go with synthetic oil that is fine too. But always remember use KIA oil filters and those oil filters are not design for long miles usage.

A lot of people want to use synthetic oil for longer oil changes. That is fine but you forget about the filters. You need a long mileage filter. If you don't you gonna have a lot of trouble. Remember the filter is what keeps your oil clean.

The dealer we go to for regular oil change is $20. That includes tire rotation and a free car wash. So it is cheaper in a way than doing it yourself. Plus they have a check list that they go through to make sure your car is safe to drive and they of course check for any updates that is needed for the car computer system and any recalls.

So that are some things to think about.

 

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My biggest issue with dealerships doing oil changes is if you want to use synthetic they charge around 70$ to have this done!

Why is there such an up charge on this magic oil? The answer is there is no reason, the difference in cost between regular oil and synthetic oil is between 5-10$. There is nothing different about the oil change other than the type of oil. Just wanted to put that out there in case anyone is thinking of making to switch but worried about the cost.

I will agree with you that using a KIA filter is key!

 

[staax]

Bring in your own oil - that's what I plan on doing for my first change... Then it'll be a DIY.

Just make sure that the oil you choose meets the specs for your motor (see owners manual).

 

[Bojib]

Why all the love for KIA oil filters?

 

[staax]

Warranty purposes... Plus its been proven that some filter's relief valve isn't correct for our car.

I don't know if you've ever tried to warranty anything with KIA or Hyundai, but they are one of the most pickiest companies to try and get a claim through.

Of course they'll have to prove that the filter caused a potential issue but its a huge hassle.

Kia filters are designed for the vehicle and have been proven to be quality parts.

But at the end of the day its entirely up to you.

 

[snoweagle]

staax, you nailed it. Another interesting point with KIA have you ever tried to get a third party part for KIA? It is extremely difficult. You might get different spark plugs or stuff like that but any major part it is only KIA. They do not allow third parties to build parts. That is how they keep quality control. That is one big reason why they have a so fantastic warranty.

At our dealer, when you buy a new KIA, they double the warranty from 10 years 100,000 mile warranty to 20years 200,000 mile warranty. I seen other KIA dealerships advertise a million mile warranty. Another one life time warranty.

So those kinds of warranties going on, they are going on they are going to be extremely picky on how you take care of the car. So we better be very careful what we put on the car.

Thank you for the great conversations and I hope that we can keep it up for a very long time.

 

[Bojib]

Is there a list somewhere of what oil filters don't work?

 

[snoweagle]

Do not have a list. The best bet is to stick with KIA filters.

If you get another kind of filter like staax said about the relieve velve when it is not the velve it could cause problems. In some causes it could be the filter part itself. If a piece of the filter matelial breaks off and get into the oil system it could clug oil passages in the engine. In these new complex engines there are many small oil passages going to devices like valuable time velves timing chains, guides, and stuff like that. If one of those passages get clugs it could cost you hundreds of dollars. If it is not a KIA oil filter most likely you will be out of luck. The warranty most likely be destroyed.

So it is very important to make sure to do oil changes when it needs to and make sure you use a KIA oil filter.

If you think I am full ****** look on you tube and look up oil filters and you can see what I am talking about. Even the name filters are not built the same.

If you want to know what a piece of filter can do to an engine look up motor week under oil filter and that motor week mechanic, I can't remember that mechanic's name now, he will explain it.

 

[Bojib]

I think I'll just take my chances. Things like that are the exception, not the rule.

 

[s.f.c.hooligan]

Sigh... It is a bypass valve. And yes its in the filter. And no they don't fail and fall apart. Learn before speaking. And again.... Magnuson-moss people. Learn it..live it...love it.

 

[s.f.c.hooligan]

Quit trying to scare people with a bunch of crap. Your starting to smell like a dealer troll.

 

[staax]

I don't think hes trying to scare people... He's offering his advice... Like I am too... Just like you are. People may take it and use it or simply ignore it.

This is the internet, no need to get all defensive.

And don't be arrogant. Not everyone on this forum is from the US where your "bypass valve" isn't known as a "relief valve". Much like a wrench is also known as a spanner.

And the Magnusson-Moss act doesn't apply to Canadians (and sure as hell not Australians) since it is a federal US law.

This thread was entitled "Discussion on oil changes"... So were having a discussion. Plain and simple.

 

[Bojib]

I was googling around today, and I think I found were the oil filter issue came from.

This link is to a Bob is the Oil Guy Forum Thread: Why everyone should be using factory oil filter

Looks like KIA was treading on some thin ice by issuing it, the ice being Mag-Moss Act, which as stated is a United States Law. Even in the TSB they just recommended a KIA Filter, rather strongly, but only a recommendation. From other readings, it looks as though a related article in Consumer Reports had something to do with it.

The Consumer Reports Article: How a Cheap Oil Change Can Cost You in the Long Run

So, I at least have kind of an idea of were it all started.

Anyway... I found a great deal on a ten pack of KIA oil filters, shipped to my house cheaper than I can buy the filters I usually get, so the point is now moot for me. At least for ten oil changes anyway.

 

[snoweagle]

Thank you Bojib. You are probably correct on where I got the information. There is another article from Consumer Reports about Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act. You said KIA is on thin ice because of that law but what I read I don't think so. Name of the article is Can an aftermarket part void my car warranty? Understanding your service options and warranty protection by ConsumerReports.org. Here are a couple of paragraphs that I want everyone to read.

Where things can get sticky is when the work or parts are associated with a problem are deemed by a dealership are not performing correctly or are otherwise defective. You have the right to seek alternatives to the dealer for repairs or parts, but remember that a good work are key to a good ownership experience.

Should something go wrong the warranty provider will need to determine the cause of the problem. The Federal Trade Commission says, "The manufacturer or dealer must show that the aftermarket or recycled part caused the need for repairs before denying warranty coverage." That means if the dealer can prove (the burden is on the dealer) the problem was cause by wrong viscosity or a poor quality oil filter, your warranty can be denied. Warranty protection would still be in effect for other parts of the cars.

So what I read there that new law does not protect the person if they use the wrong oil or defective filter.

I am not trying to scare people but I want everyone to know the dangers of doing it yourself. I want everybody to have the correct information out there. If there is only one person talking on side of the subject, how does people know the truth.

To s.f.c.hooligan the administrator, if you think I am so wrong where is your prove? I challenge you to prove me wrong. I will apologize to you if you can prove me wrong.

I have no problem people doing their own work. I have done it myself before but if your car is still under warranty it can be very dangerous. It is everybody's decisions on what they want to do.

I am going on researching and keep telling you what I have found out. I recommend everyone to do their own research.
Better yet, read your owners manual especially your warranty manual. Then you know yourself what you want to do.

God bless you all. I hope that everybody be safe out there during the holiday season.

 

[s.f.c.hooligan]

My 20+ years in automotive. How's that. And you just posted the proof. It's on them to prove the cause. If it was indeed the filter that caused a issue then its on that manufacture to cover the cost. That's how things work.

 

[snoweagle]

I am glad that you have worked in the automotive industry for 20 plus years. Couple of questions though. Have you worked at a dealership? Are you a mechanic?

When you mentioned manufacture, what manufacture are you talking about? The car manufacture or the filter manufacture.

What I am trying to warn people about if something does happen do they really want to go through the headache trying to get their car fixed because a bad filter or wrong oil they put in. Now AFTER the warranty is over do whatever you want to but before the warranty is over be extremely careful.

By the way. Believe me they can find out to the engine especially if you go to the dealer and they see you put a cheap oil filter on and they take apart the oil filter and part of the filter element is blown out.

If you want proof that it can and does happen go to youtube channel motor week. Look under Goss' Garage and look under oil filter and oil. In more than once episode he talked about that issue. I don't think motor week that big tv program been on think 35 years would not tell people something that they can't back up.

I just want people to know be extremely careful. You do not want to try fight the car company over warranties. Most likely you will loose. Once you lost that part of the warranty they are going to be much much more careful what they are going to pay for.

That is why the safest bet and sometimes the cheapest way to go is to get the oil change at the dealership. If you want to do your own oil changes at least get KIA oil filter. Double check the kind of oil that you put into the KIA. Then you will not have the headaches if something goes wrong.

 

[Jh00k3r]

I am glad that you have worked in the automotive industry for 20 plus years. Couple of questions though. Have you worked at a dealership? Are you a mechanic?

When you mentioned manufacture, what manufacture are you talking about? The car manufacture or the filter manufacture.

What I am trying to warn people about if something does happen do they really want to go through the headache trying to get their car fixed because a bad filter or wrong oil they put in. Now AFTER the warranty is over do whatever you want to but before the warranty is over be extremely careful.

By the way. Believe me they can find out to the engine especially if you go to the dealer and they see you put a cheap oil filter on and they take apart the oil filter and part of the filter element is blown out.

If you want proof that it can and does happen go to youtube channel motor week. Look under Goss' Garage and look under oil filter and oil. In more than once episode he talked about that issue. I don't think motor week that big tv program been on think 35 years would not tell people something that they can't back up.

I just want people to know be extremely careful. You do not want to try fight the car company over warranties. Most likely you will loose. Once you lost that part of the warranty they are going to be much much more careful what they are going to pay for.

That is why the safest bet and sometimes the cheapest way to go is to get the oil change at the dealership. If you want to do your own oil changes at least get KIA oil filter. Double check the kind of oil that you put into the KIA. Then you will not have the headaches if something goes wrong.

You've expressed your opinion on DIY oil changes over at least 2 different threads. Both times you end up at the same point. Don't you feel as if you promoted deal ship oil changes enough? We apreciate your opinion and your concerns, but your not going to scare/convince anybody who's already changing their own oil or servicing there own vehicle to go to the dealer. Clearly your very concerned with warranty(you bought the right brand of vehicle for it) but not everyone is as concerned with it as you. People have been working on their own cars for a very very long time and there isn't a thread/forum around that's going to stop this from happening. This has gone from a thread "discussing oil" to a thread about "better go to the dealer". Talk about oil and filter specs or let it go. I and most others don't care about the potential warranty issues of working on our own cars. As has been previously stated, we care more about our cars more than somebody working at a dealership just trying to get through their 8 hour day. Our cars are more than a job to with a ticket number to us. I respect your opinion but your premise is far from correct.