HID pics to decide next mod

Joechicklets

· #3 · Apr 3, 2011

I have 6k lights with stock fogs. I want to upgrade the fogs when I get a chance and have some extra cash. It's not bad if you just have HID lights, but it's certainly better if they're both HIDs

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TSForte

· #4 · Apr 3, 2011

there are pics HERE (<<Clicky) with my 6000K HID lo beams and fogs, post #22

if you're going to do both, do both at the same time. that way you only have to run the wires once and figure it all out one time, instead of doing it twice. (not that difficult)

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the kia guy

· #5 · Apr 3, 2011

here man i got 6k low and fogs but with the 6k you might get a very light greenish hue to them

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gsrcrxsi

· #6 · Apr 3, 2011 (Edited)

do you guys realize that by putting HID bulbs in the stock halogen housings, you are creating more glare for oncoming traffic? and if you go with a temperature rating with more than 4-5k, you are actually REDUCING light output?

but its "s00per koo" to have blue lights right? ...

you guys might not realize it, but a lot of engineering goes into the precise placement of every angle of reflectors in your headlight. when you put HIDs into your stock halogen housings, the placement of the filament (not really a filament in HIDs, but you get what im saying) will be off and the light will not be reflected as designed, causing more glare.

and i would NEVER use HIDs in a fog light unless the car was designed for it. the glare from HID fogs is even worse and you risk melting your bumper.

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to do HIDs right you need to do 1 of 2 things. get full HID headlight housings, or retrofit the proper lenses into your existing housings. since i dont think either of these is an option for these cars (did any fortes come stock with HIDs? or even profectors?), your best bet for increasing light output and not annoying the heck out of other drivers is to just get better halogen bulbs. and dont get bulbs with colored coatings, they just further reduce light output.

do some reading

Daniel Stern Lighting Consultancy and Supply
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/Hid/disadvantages/disadvantages.html
http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/Hid/conversions/conversions.html
HID-Online.com - What is colour temperature?

do what daniel stern says. he knows what he's talking about.

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eyepoper

· #7 · Apr 3, 2011

gsrcrxsi said:
do you guys realize that by putting HID bulbs in the stock halogen housings, you are creating more glare for oncoming traffic? and if you go with a temperature rating with more than 4-5k, you are actually REDUCING light output?

but its "s00per koo" to have blue lights right? ...

you guys might not realize it, but a lot of engineering goes into the precise placement of every angle of reflectors in your headlight. when you put HIDs into your stock halogen housings, the placement of the filament (not really a filament in HIDs, but you get what im saying) will be off and the light will not be reflected as designed, causing more glare.

and i would NEVER use HIDs in a fog light unless the car was designed for it. the glare from HID fogs is even worse and you risk melting your bumper.

see:

to do HIDs right you need to do 1 of 2 things. get full HID headlight housings, or retrofit the proper lenses into your existing housings. since i dont think either of these is an option for these cars (did any fortes come stock with HIDs? or even profectors?), your best bet for increasing light output and not annoying the heck out of other drivers is to just get better halogen bulbs. and dont get bulbs with colored coatings, they just further reduce light output.

do some reading

Daniel Stern Lighting Consultancy and Supply
Daniel Stern Lighting Consultancy and Supply
Daniel Stern Lighting Consultancy and Supply
HID-Online.com - What is colour temperature?

do what daniel stern says. he knows what he's talking about.

I think that there may be some strange things happening when your HID is melting you housing or bumper..
WHy?

Cause yess.. thos things really use alot of energy.... you`ve got to buy the right and trustable HID kit...not any thing from the internet just because its cheap... One thing that cause melding is the using of BAD calbes that comes with the Kit..cables that are not capable or supporting so many High voltage and begin generating heat .....
Also one other thing that could lead to melting the Housing is by using 55wat bulbs...althouhg I dont really think cause Halogeen produces more heat that any other bulb...I`ve een using HIDs on my card forever and never had a problem...Had 5000K and now on my Forte I got on the fogs 10000K 35W and headlight 10000k 35 Watts.. I aint going more watts...no need to also.........theres a lot of streets light lighting up my road for me...

So wath out for buying stupid HIDs kits..the cable must have the capability to support many Amperage and Voltage...if not...the you get this melting bumper

Really sad picture btw

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gsrcrxsi

· #8 · Apr 3, 2011

not my car, im not dumb enough to put HIDs in my fog lights. it was just an example pic.

really if you spend less than like 500 on an HID kit, you bought a cheap hacked up knockoff. its not even about wires. the main problem with halogen retofits is that the housings are completely wrong for the HID bulb and its unique light pattern. all the retrofits are just bulbs, wires and ballasts. you NEED the correct housing/lens regardless of the quality of the rest of the rest of the kid.

but no one wants to listen, they just wanna be k00 with they 50 dollar blue ebay kit.

read the links i posted. really, youll be amazed.

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noodile

· #9 · Apr 3, 2011

gsrcrxsi said:
not my car, im not dumb enough to put HIDs in my fog lights. it was just an example pic.

really if you spend less than like 500 on an HID kit, you bought a cheap hacked up knockoff. its not even about wires. the main problem with halogen retofits is that the housings are completely wrong for the HID bulb and its unique light pattern. all the retrofits are just bulbs, wires and ballasts. you NEED the correct housing/lens regardless of the quality of the rest of the rest of the kid.

but no one wants to listen, they just wanna be k00 with they 50 dollar blue ebay kit.

read the links i posted. really, youll be amazed.

Your opinion has been noted. With that being said. HID kits and their benefits/cons have been discussed over and over again. People around here have been using HIDs in their fog lights for more than a year with no problem. There are NOOOO heating issues with them.

As for the safety of the wires, you can buy a harness that draws from your battery instead of your factory harness.

and as for GLARE, look at the 500 posts that bitch about glare, we know it causes glare. and if you even looked at the stock fog lights, they're not really designed for fog as they suck with their original pattern.

Lastly, i didn't know Michael got a new username. hahahhahaha (JK Michael)

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gsrcrxsi

· #10 · Apr 3, 2011

not sure who michael is...

just trying to break all you guys' ricer mentality when it comes to these cheap HID kits.

IMO, if you want improved lighting, get a BETTER halogen bulb, something thats plus +50 rated like an osram silverstar. and some HIR (yes thats an "R" not a "D") bulbs for the high beams. or even a hi-beam 65w retrofit into the low beam. this will give you much improved light output and visibility without blinding every poor sap in your path. it wont be your s00per koo blue though, as it seems thats all you guys care about...

heres a great thread over on NASIOC (suby forum) with a lot of good compiled information.

The Ultimate Bulb Lighting Thread: All You Ever Need to Know About Bulbs - NASIOC

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noodile

· #11 · Apr 3, 2011

gsrcrxsi said:
not sure who michael is...

just trying to break all you guys' ricer mentality when it comes to these cheap HID kits.

I understand that, and that's why i said you're opinion has been noted. I'm not trying to disrespect you but you seem to be new here, if you've seen the hundreds of posts of HIDs, you'll realize that everything, and i mean everything has been previously discussed. We, (we being HID kit owners), realize the disadvantages of HID kits. We realize that they MAY cause glare, and we're ok with it. so how about we end the whole idea of trying to "break our ricer mentality"? I live on back roads with deer, i need all the light i can get.

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gsrcrxsi

· #12 · Apr 3, 2011

i am new here, im not at all new to cars. hell, i dont even own a forte, i have a CRX track car and a WRX daily driver. my gf just bought a forte sedan so i joined up to learn more about them so i can help her if/when i need to.

just informing the guys who were asking (the OP) about putting HIDs in their fogs. while you may not have had issues, its still a concern and possible to have catastrophic results like the unlucky guy i gave as an example. HIDs in your halogen housings is dumb as it is, putting them in fog housings not designed for the added heat, and risking a fire, is REALLY stupid. and the glare CAN bring unwanted attention from authorities when you blind them as you pass by. have fun with that.

you say you need more light for back roads. i bet youd get better visability with proper bulbs (high and low) that the housings were designed for. that way the light is properly focused and spread rather than being scattered all over the freaking place.

you obviously cant be swayed. you are defending your purchase, which is common nature i guess.

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noodile

· #13 · Apr 3, 2011

I m not just defending my purchase. I am making a statement that is backed up my hundreds of users' personal experience. Let me say this one more time.
HIDs IN YOUR FOG LIGHTS WILL NOT CAUSE ANY PROBLEMS. NO MELTING, NO FIRE.

And the picture you uploaded above can be cause by a short in a HALOGEN bulb connection and a bad fuse. Just sayin

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gsrcrxsi

· #14 · Apr 3, 2011

im sure thats what plenty of other people said before this guys bumper caught on fire. if its 1 in 1000, its still a risk that should be noted and assessed.

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(K)illed (I)n (A)ction

· #15 · Apr 3, 2011

i can settle this argument really fast.......WHO GIVES A F*CK!!!

they want to put HID's in thier car.... let them, you want to start a world wide campagne to stop the use of illegal HID kits... go for it. who cares!!!

this argument could have been easily avoided if the person who started the thread used the SEARCH BUTTON!!!!

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noodile

· #16 · Apr 3, 2011

(K)illed (I)n (A)ction said:
i can settle this argument really fast.......WHO GIVES A F*CK!!!

they want to put HID's in thier car.... let them, you want to start a world wide campagne to stop the use of illegal HID kits... go for it. who cares!!!

this argument could have been easily avoided if the person who started the thread used the SEARCH BUTTON!!!!

i was really looking forward to one of those sarcastic comments

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gsrcrxsi

· #17 · Apr 3, 2011

umad?

lol you apparently care. just trying to inform the ill informed here. :shrug:

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(K)illed (I)n (A)ction

· #18 · Apr 3, 2011

i care that people ask the same stupid question each effing day!! if its not HID's, its CAI, if its not CAI, its exhuast, if its not exhuast, its... which rims look better. i mean come on!! people that lazy they cant use the damn search button???

which exhuast would sound better on my 1.4 5spd?? #1...why would you get a 1.4? #B seriously??

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SubtleStyle

· #19 · Apr 4, 2011

Ok here's my two cents...

When I first bought my Forte I used to get flashed by other drivers on a regular basis (many other members have had this problem) because they thought my high beams were on. This is with the stock headlights and halogen bulbs. When I bought my "cheap internet" HID kit from DDM Tuning for 40 bucks the flashing by other drivers stopped. But how could this be? HID kits in a reflective housing have so much more glare! It's because I adjusted the beam pattern.

My HID bulbs will last longer than halogen bulbs, I no longer blind other drivers like I did with my stock setup, I have better visibility, my bulbs are no longer a dingy yellow color and instead a crisp white color, and my cheap internet kit has a lifetime warranty that has not failed me once in over a year of using them. And yes, don't bother convincing me otherwise because my experience with them is all the convincing I need.

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Leroy Jenkins

· #20 · Apr 4, 2011

gsrcrxsi said:
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gsrcrxsi said:
not my car, im not dumb enough to put HIDs in my fog lights. it was just an example pic.

Just trying to get my facts straight, but you post an unrelated picture of a melted foglight housing and bumper, then go on to say that its irresponsible to run a HID bulb in a Hallogen housing? Do you even know the actual story behind the picture, or did you google "melted bumper"?

Im kind of confused on what point you are trying to make? You do know that HID's run 35% cooler than normal Hallogen = Less heat. So the ONLY reason that car melted was an improper install and not a HID bulb/Hallogen housing.

While i agree HID's in Hallogen housings are not the best idea, however nothing you can say on a forum is going to keep them from doing it, thus why not suggest aiming the headlight beam down.

As far as blinding on coming traffic, again aim them down. In the Dallas/Ft. Worth area there are more people with miss aimed headlights that blind myself and others than kids putting HID's in their car.

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