[Hamster-GT]

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Pre-determine fuel wire also showed up. I'm dying for a power boost; As I've said my Focus ST ran low 13's and my Neon SRT-4 ran 12.7's. So while it feels quick especially in Sport mode, it's not fast and I know it's being held back by the super conservative stock tune.

This is only the beginning

Did you buy it from Burger or did you get it through another retailer? Where can I buy the JB4?

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[AThomas]

Did you buy it from Burger or did you get it through another retailer? Where can I buy the JB4?

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You have to buy it out of state. I bought mine from Extreme Performance in Las Vegas. Vivid Racing also carries JB4.

Those are your closest dealers. Typically two day shipping.

Everybody has the same price.

 

[Hamster-GT]

You have to buy it out of state. I bought mine from Extreme Performance in Las Vegas. Vivid Racing also carries JB4.

Those are your closest dealers. Typically two day shipping.

Everybody has the same price.

Thanks. I just saw a YouTube video of a guy in a Forte GT smoked a Audi A4 and walked a stage 2 WRX. Impressive for just a JB4 and the little 1.6 liter.

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[AThomas]

Forte GT is lighter then both cars. Those cars advantage is AWD so standing starts. That's I generally don't like roll racing. I almost beat a STi in my Focus ST which had a bad launch (1.90 60ft) and I short shifted 3-4, 12.92 vs my 12.97; beat me by a fender. You can out launch AWD especially if the playing field is equal.

 

[mbze430]

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Pre-determine fuel wire also showed up. I'm dying for a power boost; As I've said my Focus ST ran low 13's and my Neon SRT-4 ran 12.7's. So while it feels quick especially in Sport mode, it's not fast and I know it's being held back by the super conservative stock tune.

This is only the beginning

what made you decide to go with a piggy-back instead of a ECU direct tune like Tork on the Forte GT?

 

[AThomas]

what made you decide to go with a piggy-back instead of a ECU direct tune like Tork on the Forte GT?

When I found out the JB4 was available for 1.6L Turbocharged Kia/Hyundai cars I didn't have to think twice.

The main reasons -

1) Data Logging combined with a community that is looking to help you achieve your goals
2) Water Methanol Integration

Especially the last one, it's not merely adding water methanol as you would with a stand alone system like the AEM, Snow or Aquamist. It's fully apart of the JB4, it logs flow, maintains ideal air-fuel ratios which is critical to its effectiveness.

But it brings with it safety systems that no other water methanol kit has. If flow drops below a certain point, it will bump you down to Map 0 which is the stock tune. For the others to do that you have to add external switches and relays to things like the wastegate to bleed boost if a problem is detected.

That is the advantage of OBD-II monitoring. Everything I just mentioned can be controlled from the mobile app.

There's more but those are the main reasons. I would explain all it's capable of doing but I really don't like to waste my typing on those who will never take advantage of that information. Besides tons of YouTube videos and forum post exist that explain it's capabilities.

 

[mbze430]

you mention that you have put E85 mix with E10. Are you using the stock fuel delivery system or you upgraded the fuel pump, injectors and lines for E85?

 

[AThomas]

you mention that you have put E85 mix with E10. Are you using the stock fuel delivery system or you upgraded the fuel pump, injectors and lines for E85?

Stock fuel system is rated for E15, it's in your manual. You can use higher concentrations of ethanol, but your fuel economy goes down. For extended use you may want to add a conditioner like Marvin's Mystery Oil or Lucas Ethanol Treatment.

Right now I am E20 on Map 2 though I can easily go back to Map 0 because my fuel economy is more important than ripping around town.

 

[AThomas]

Thanks. I just saw a YouTube video of a guy in a Forte GT smoked a Audi A4 and walked a stage 2 WRX. Impressive for just a JB4 and the little 1.6 liter.

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I believe the person who's video you saw is the same person I know on FB who is going around street racing people.

Anyway he's taken his car to the local 1/4 mile drag strip.. First time he ran [email protected] mph. He has the Sxth hot pipe, Mishimoto J-Line DIY Intercooler upgrade, shifter bushing and the JB4 (Map 5 on E30).

He's recently gone back and ran the best of [email protected] mph same setup, a little cooler outside and a better launch.

 

[AThomas]

Alright, first the bad news.

Because I was trying to have the car ready to run low 13's (13.00 Index) and also because I refused to take any time off. I ended up (1) talking time off (2) not going to attend the event (which I will explain in a second) and (3) have an alternative schedule.

By the time I tried to secure the house and decided to run the car as-is, bring the WMI setup with me to install track-side, it was too late to drive 21+ hours and make it to Tulsa by 3 pm which is when they stop tech inspection (starts at 7 am CST)

So that's $375 flushed down the toilet. Further insult to injury I missed out on betting on college football that would have been a great payday topped off by Georgia Tech beating Fla St straight up.

Now that I won't be missing a week of work, I will focus on getting things done namely the water-methanol system and the lowering springs. Both showed up on Weds; Again refusing to take a day off to complete these things meant working with that narrow window of time that without appointments are impossible to work it. Also working with a store that isn't a wheel/tire store firstly means getting delayed information. Meaning the impact I was looking for with the Forte since the event is going to be streamed on YouTube and daily updates from 1320 Video goes for naught.

So the goal by Friday of next week -

1) Install the WMI (Sunday)
2) Order the Wheels (Monday)
3) Install Whiteline Lowering Springs (Monday or Tues)
4) Head up to Sonoma Raceway for Wed Night Drags also jump on TL's Dynojet which is located at the track
5) New wheels mounted (Thurs or Friday)

Things waiting to be delivered -

Dragy

The car went back to the dyno two weeks ago. I believe I hold the current output record for the Forte GT at 251 whp @5485 and 268 ft of torque @3670. I have print outs but I want the screen captures instead, I'll have to bug Church for those.

The only mod is the JB4 (Map 4) + Bluetooth and stock plugs re-gapped to .022 There is more power to be had as timing wasn't stable, the advance was but it would fluctuate up and down between 15-23 degrees. I plan on using the Dragy at the track because I can overlay the information and capture video at the same time with the app.

I will be capturing both the Dragy and JB4 Connect apps.

The Forte will be run at the track a few more times before the end of the year but the focus will shift to the Cobalt SS

Lots of media to come stay tuned.

 

[AThomas]

You can watch the stream at Sonoma Raceway You Tube channel car #183

 

[AThomas]

 

[undisputedfb]

was this you?

 

[AThomas]

was this you?

Yep. Looks my second and only pass of the night.

15.25 @ 88.26 missed 4th. First was 14.83 @ 94.44

I then found my JB4 was wired backwards as I removed it for a few hours and forgot which connector went where.

The trap speed is indictive of the stock tune. What I found is too much oxygen rich fuel is that the stock tune would reduce boost which makes sense but that's not what we want.

I was getting all sorts of weird reading from the JB4 via the mobile app.

I switched it back when I got home. But it's not going to be for awhile since I have to drive up to Northern California and not work. Even then I left late about Noon and didn't get there until 6 pm.

I like Sonoma but I know I can get more passes at Sacramento on any given night. The week before I went to Sac and it turns out somebody knocked down the Christmas tree only a hour after the track went hot.

So that's two trips, 1400 miles and 2 passes. Needless to say I'm not too happy but I want to see what the car will do.

 

[undisputedfb]

still very promising for having it wired backwards and miss gears and still able to pull 15's. i can only imagine what it would have been if everything was running correct. the stock tune isnt bad. cant wait to get the jb4.

did you do the dogbone mount?
i could swear i saw it hop on that pass
(i didnt have my glasses on)

 

[AThomas]

It wheel hopped. I have a solution for that, stay tuned it's not stiffer mounts that still doesn't solve the problem just reduces it to I guess a manageable level?

What I did on my Focus ST eliminated it completely but there's more to it.

 

[AThomas]

 

[AThomas]

I can report the inserts do help with wheel hop. I did get some hop when the tires (drag radials) were cold, I forgot to turn off traction control and didn't use the e-brake to hold the car for a burnout.

After that it wasn't a problem. Though I can't tell how well everything is working. I am used to having a 2 step/launch control. I would roll to the edge of the water box, rev it up to the 2 step rev limit and WOT with the e-brake up. That way I can keep it going until I see smoke, then I release the e-brake and the car lunges forward.

I still don't think I'm getting the drag radials hot enough though short times did improve but trap speed didn't improve much. It could have been the long drive up to Northern CA and the car was only off to switch tires. I need to remember to run the heater; seems this car is a little more sensitive to coolant temps.

 

[AThomas]

The BMS Water Methanol System has been installed since the end of last year. However I needed the two wires that come from the FBS to the JB4. I bought a used system that was installed in a BMW previously including the tank that fits perfectly in the cargo compartment of newer BMW's. That proved to be a bad move because the only thing I used from that system was the FBS. The pump is missing a part that is hard to get from Aquatec so I was forced to buy a pump and I got a great deal from Rodney @ ProMeth.

He also threw in some line and fittings.

He is a wealth of knowledge on water-methanol injection and you'll be hearing more from him in the future.

RIght now the boost additive settings are equivalent to Map 3 and I'm only running water at the moment. I will be adding Banks Power Blend, his version of Boost Juice which is 49% Methanol/51% Water which prevents the requirement to pay for hazmat shipping fees. For the vast majority of people this is fine, some applications require more water, others more methanol, that will be explored later.

The part under the airbox is the BMS Map/Tip adapter. The Map/Tip mounts to the top, the WMI nozzle on the bottom and the supply line goes into the side. It makes the install a snap and very tidy, the overall installation was easy and I opted for the 2 gallon tank so I don't have to concern myself with running out. I should be able to go through the spring and summer without refilling it, especially since it requires 75% throttle input for flow which happens rarely with my daily activities.

I will run it on the dyno as well with pump gas and with E85.

That is now -

JB4 - Installed
BMS WMI - Operational

What's next? Mwaaah

 

[currantredGT]

I can report the inserts do help with wheel hop. I did get some hop when the tires (drag radials) were cold, I forgot to turn off traction control and didn't use the e-brake to hold the car for a burnout.

After that it wasn't a problem. Though I can't tell how well everything is working. I am used to having a 2 step/launch control. I would roll to the edge of the water box, rev it up to the 2 step rev limit and WOT with the e-brake up. That way I can keep it going until I see smoke, then I release the e-brake and the car lunges forward.

I still don't think I'm getting the drag radials hot enough though short times did improve but trap speed didn't improve much. It could have been the long drive up to Northern CA and the car was only off to switch tires. I need to remember to run the heater; seems this car is a little more sensitive to coolant temps.

Good job on the 60 ft, though 2.1 sec is not bad for FWD..
Would drag radials be the ONLY way id be ranging that?
How much do you think the Indy 500s would help? I'm thinking NOT as good as yours but maybe range in the 2.28-2.35 sec? currently my best is EDIT 2.42 sec.