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I am finding that the power is lacking on my car. Don't get me wrong, it's smooth and fairly refined, and has enough thrust for day to day motoring. I just can't believe that my new EX Sedan is producing 156HP. It has 2200 miles, so it is broken in.

My neighbor has a 2000 Acura Integra, bone stock except for Alloys and tint. He put me to shame, and my car weighs only 125 pounds more. The Integra has 142HP at 6700 RPM. He has 122 PDS torque. My car has 156hp and 144lb-ft.

So why did he crush me by 3 car lengths? He timed me at 8.7 seconds to 60. I timed him at 7.9, but he has 175,000 miles on his.

Both of us have 4spd Automatic's. My car should at least be a nose ahead. I know it isn't a performance car, but 8.7 is kinda slow compared to the competition.
Still love my car, just don't get the numbers. Anyone have any advice or comments?
 

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Well first thought that comes to mind is the 4 speed auto Forte has very tall gearing designed for fuel economy - I'm sure the time would be a lot better with the 5-speed stick.
 

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Get a cai and try again
 

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Well first thought that comes to mind is the 4 speed auto Forte has very tall gearing designed for fuel economy - I'm sure the time would be a lot better with the 5-speed stick.
This.

Gearing makes a world a difference.
 

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Unless that CAI is attached to an intercooler, a turbo, turbo header, and a cat+cat back it's not going to shave a second off his time.

Acuras have incredible gearing in their autos for take offs. You'll see that most of the time the engine is at >3000RPM at highway speeds. Our cars are barely at 2500 at the edge of legal limits.

You also turned off ESC right because that'll kill your launch. If you want to launch harder you can try loading the Torque convertor by holding the brakes and revving the engine.

Wheel combos will also make a difference. If he's running light weight 17s and you're running heavier 18's for example you'll loose power as well. Smaller wheel circumferences also help the car get up and going faster.
 

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Get a 55hp ebay chip! And a intake supercharge you will get 100+ hp maybe not.... But still you can eat that integra with simple bolt ons we have more torque then that integra. A cai full exhaust should be more then enought to get you to were you have to be. I had a tuff time beating a bubble with a ls swap when I was stock take into account the body is so light and other factors.
 

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A cai full exhaust should be more then enought to get you to were you have to be.
^ As in beating the integra, don't get his hopes up. You'll get better results from more seat time then anything else.
 

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Lmaooooo I tried!
 

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The 2.4L, 173hp engine in my Forte feels like a 125hp Honda engine, so I'm really not surprised by what you're saying...
 

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damn those d-series.
 

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Unless that CAI is attached to an intercooler, a turbo, turbo header, and a cat+cat back it's not going to shave a second off his time.

Acuras have incredible gearing in their autos for take offs. You'll see that most of the time the engine is at >3000RPM at highway speeds. Our cars are barely at 2500 at the edge of legal limits.

You also turned off ESC right because that'll kill your launch. If you want to launch harder you can try loading the Torque convertor by holding the brakes and revving the engine.

Wheel combos will also make a difference. If he's running light weight 17s and you're running heavier 18's for example you'll loose power as well. Smaller wheel circumferences also help the car get up and going faster.
Dude, that was mega-helpful. I didn't think about the stability control interfering with my launch...hmm. Gotta call Tony and tell him to bring his broke-ass Acura back over! (yeam..the one I LOST to) with 2-zillion miles on it!

Thanks though. I am gonna check it out after rush hour.
 

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Personally I don't think stability control changes HP, MPG or acceleration (unless for some reason your wheels are breaking free. Stability control apply brake when it detects that a wheel is spinning... which is not happening in this case. I also don't think it changes MPG. I think that the thought on that is that (sentence = ouch) as the vehicle turns the wheels move at different speeds and this caused the stability control to do something. It should not. It should only apply brake when a tire actually breaks free and spins.

As far sa 0-60... as mentioned above, gearing is _everything_!
 

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along with gearing....I also blame the electronic throttle body...
 

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Personally I don't think stability control changes HP, MPG or acceleration (unless for some reason your wheels are breaking free. Stability control apply brake when it detects that a wheel is spinning... which is not happening in this case. I also don't think it changes MPG. I think that the thought on that is that (sentence = ouch) as the vehicle turns the wheels move at different speeds and this caused the stability control to do something. It should not. It should only apply brake when a tire actually breaks free and spins.

As far sa 0-60... as mentioned above, gearing is _everything_!
Uh I don't know what's wrong with your car but when I floor my car from a stop I can spin my wheels, or should I say at least when my ESC is off when it's on you car hear the brakes go nuts and see the ESC light flash like crazy. These LS2s have decent grip but ain't as grippy as race tires. The Hankooks are worse than the LS2 in grip.

It has nothing to do with creating more power. It's just the ESC won't let the wheels spin at all, it will retard timing, upshift early, kill fuel, pump the brakes. Basically do everything it can to stop wheel spin and kill power.
 

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^^ personal experience with forgetting to turn traction control off... kickin butt in first and 2nd, shift to third and wham....nose dive cuz the ESC was braking so hard... got a real nice view of the back of the tiburon though lol
 

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Guys I think you're confusing the ESC (Electronic Stability Control, which cannot be turned off) with TC (Traction Control, which is switchable). I don't think ESC does anything if you're going in a straight line. TC obviously will limit the amount of wheelspin when power is applied.
 

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I know that if I turn off my TC that the ESC is also off. Cause if it wasn't you wouldn't be able to do e-brake slides and the rear end wouldn't side out on ya in the snow. If your ESC doesn't turn off when you shut off TC then I feel for ya. Nothing is more annoying than systems not doing what they are supposed to.

If you forgot to turn of your TC then that would make a world of difference on your launch. I have had my TC kick in when I wasn't even pushing it that hard. So it's completely plausible.
 

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Hmmm checking the manual again turns out I'm wrong, the ESC is switchable and there's no mention of TC.

The ESC OFF indicator will illuminate when the ignition switch is turned ON, but should go off after approximately 3 seconds. To switch to ESC OFF mode, press the ESC OFF button. The ESC OFF indicator will illuminate indicating the ESC is deactivated. If this indicator stays on when ESC OFF is not selected, the ESC may have malfunctioned. Take your vehicle to an authorized KIA dealer and have the system checked.
I vaguely recall either a post on this forum or a magazine review saying that the ESC seemed to kick in despite it being disabled, but I guess that could be down to a faulty ESC switch or something else. Or maybe it's just my faulty memory! :p
 

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Hmmm checking the manual again turns out I'm wrong, the ESC is switchable and there's no mention of TC.



I vaguely recall either a post on this forum or a magazine review saying that the ESC seemed to kick in despite it being disabled, but I guess that could be down to a faulty ESC switch or something else. Or maybe it's just my faulty memory! :p
ESC and TC can be turned off with the same button. Apparently tho it's more like the Merc definition of off. Meaning it's never really off it's just super duper lax and will only help you vector the car in extremes. I can't prove this as extremes would mean I need a track and not using one would be stupid.

I'm combining ESC and TC in to just ESC as that's what the manual does.
 

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One of the threads last year mentioned that getting an aftermarket ECU flash can totally disable the TC/ESC when that button is pressed, so I agree with Tebore that it is probably just set to a very relaxed setting when pressed. I believe the factory setup disables the TC and relaxes the ESC.
 
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