[BAF]

On my old car, I always changed my own oil and did all the work on it myself. Being that my Forte is new, I figured I'd take it to the dealer for service - less hassle, easier proof of maintenance for warranty, etc.

I took it in for first oil change (@ 7k miles) yesterday. They charged me a whopping $80 (they put some BG MOA crap in the oil, and some fuel system crap, and did a "road test" [and the car did have 2 miles more on it than it had when I brought it in] and some other junk). That's strike one. They topped off my windshield washer fluid - I have no idea what the hell they put in there, but it turned all sludgy and it wouldn't spray that well, I had to drain that out and refill it, and blow air through the lines to clear them out. That's strike two. While I was doing that, I checked the oil, and they overfilled that too.

I believe the 2.4L engine calls for 4.5 quarts - they charged me for 5 quarts, and the oil is roughly 1/2 inch past the high mark on the dipstick - so I assume they overfilled it by about a half a quart. The car has been driven a couple hundred miles like this - any reason for concern? I know some engines respond worse to overfill than others - anyone have any idea for this one?

I'm thinking maybe I should be doing oil changes myself, because obviously these clowns have no idea what they're doing (and get paid good money for being dumbasses).

 

[Osakeru]

well I think it's just a loss of performance but I'm not shure,one thing for shure is, you should go to your dealer and demand a reason and your money back, show them what the hell those idiots did to your car, something has to be done man, good luck

 

[wingzero_]

Too much oil pressure is always worse. So I would definitely get some drained off soon.

 

[my forte koup]

That is why i bring my own oil to the dealership for the oil change so i know that the amount installed is the correct amount for the bg moa
it sould have cost about $10.00 i add it to mine evety 5k along with mobil one!!

 

[Red Rocket]

A 1/2 qt will not bring it a 1/2 inch over the fill mark, something is strange.

 

[BAF]

I plan on calling the dealer and reaming them out on Tuesday (closed until then for the 4th, as far as I know). I am beyond pissed off right about now. I went in figuring they could at least do a basic job like an oil change - of course I also figured it would be reasonably priced and cause me less of a headache should I need the warranty.

 

[displacement4me]

Excessive oil pressure isn't a symptom of overfilled oil - a pump pumps what it is spun at relative to RPM.

Overfilled oil causes a few things.
1. Aeration - if the crank contacts the oil surface bubbles can form, and have the chance of being pumped in to any of the engine valleys causing a temporary(fraction of a second) dry spot. This is where you can lose oil pressure from trying to pump air.
2. If the crank does contact the oil surface, the crank suffers from a rotational impact in which it was not designed to experience, as well is increased friction and drag placed on the rotating assemblies from that contact. (Try playing with yourself at 4000 'strokes per min' under water and see what kind of strain you have)

There can be more related to oil levels, but these are main ones. You might not experience any immediate problems, but longterm your engine could suffer damage from all the 'dry spots', as well as the bearings straining from impacts.

 

[corytate]

second on the problems relative to the crankshaft
excessive oil can be whipped up onto the crank and it is not supposed to be on there, only on the bearings to provide a cushion, because they are friction bearings (solid circle with the solid circle of the crank journal rolling inside it, as opposed to, say, a non-friction bearing like a skateboard or rollerskate bearing, with balls in it providing the rotation. the bearing and bearing journals are the only things that should be coming in contact with any oil because that is all that is designed to be lubricated.
it would be a good idea to go ahead and change your oil now, and not go back there. They probably also used 10w30 crappy brand oil and a shite filter, when you can be running 5w30 full synthetic unless temps get below 30 below 0 fahrenheit
i decided to start doing my own oil changes when i asked the guy in service what kid of oil they were going to use and he said "whatever we have around here"

 

[BAF]

They supposedly put 5w-20 in, and it has a blue KIA filter on it (assuming they changed that).

If I change it myself, what sort of records do I have to keep for warranty? What is considered sufficient proof that the oil was changed?

 

[wbw]

They supposedly put 5w-20 in, and it has a blue KIA filter on it (assuming they changed that).

If I change it myself, what sort of records do I have to keep for warranty? What is considered sufficient proof that the oil was changed?

I've been doing my own oil changes for 35 years but never kept real good records except that the change was done and the mileage. Now having a 10 yr/100,000 mile warranty I'm going to keep all receipts. I just bought 6 OEM Kia filters online and will keep that receipt. Then keep all receipts for oil bought and record the dates and mileage when I change the oil. That should be sufficient.

 

[ForteGT2]

They supposedly put 5w-20 in, and it has a blue KIA filter on it (assuming they changed that).

If I change it myself, what sort of records do I have to keep for warranty? What is considered sufficient proof that the oil was changed?

I purposely buy my oil filters at the kia dealer I bought the car from...they have a history of the filter purchases -- this alone has been all that was necessary from the dealer.
I document the oil change - mileage and date - in the small book that came in the glove box (along with the owner's manual) -- if the dealer changes the oil I have them document it there too.
Keep reciepts of the oil purchases -- in 10 years I haven't had to show these because of the filter purchases.

 

[Rainyraven]

I too was bringing my koup in too the dealer for the obvious reasons.. first time I had wanted them to use something like mobil one nope, it was a 10-30 which cost me about 45 dollars.. (I could have done it myself for lots less)

Second time I ask for mobil one, rotate tires due to the road I live on, and to adjust or atleast check the drive belt tensioner because it sometimes sqweaks when the car is warm.

They rotate the tires do the mobil one claim to have driven my car 2 miles but did not, I was there the whole time watching!!
Before the car goes in he ask's me, "does it sqweak when the ac is on or off"?
he then says this will help them figure out which belt it is.. LOL I knew I had a problem at this point. ( Because since its one drive belt it won't help find the soure, like say if it was a 1980 chevy with multi belts)
then service guy claims theres no sqweak when I sat there next to his office for a hour and off and on making the car sqweak.

Anyway all said in done the second oil change cost me around 80 dollars and wow I could have saved myself atleast 30 dollars doing it myself easy most likely more.

with your high oil levels, you could atleast jack it up and pull the drain plug for like one, two seconds. check level again tell it atleast reads close to full on the dip stick.. method 2 is get a clean bucket empty all oil and take out a half quart. then stick back in motor, I mean if you take it back to the dealer 5 to 1 there going to use method one and keep pulling plug tell it shows the correct level on the dip stick.

(save yourself time and headaches just do it yourself)

Sorry to hear that another person is having the kind of crappy serive headaches I've been.. good luck with those clowns!!

 

[wbw]

Start doing the changes yourself. Then you know they're done right, unless you goof it up. You can use the oil you want. You can drain more of the old oil out than the dealer will. They'll have the plug out for about two minutes or less. I drain mine while I eat lunch. I know I'm doing a better job. I can also pre-fill the new oil filter before I install. Makes me feel better about the whole job.

 

[displacement4me]

I would recommend your own oil changes too. The hardest part is getting the car up a pair of ramps (for my 6spd SX). Oil filter is easily accessible and the price savings covered the cost of a new pair of ramps with two oil changes. I pre-filled my filter and ended up putting a total of 4.8L of oil in my Koup and it sat flush on the full mark, even checking it after sitting over night since I wanted to make sure I wasn't over doing it.

Like others said, I bought a six pack of filters and kept my receipt from my dealer's parts dept.

 

[Red Rocket]

I would recommend your own oil changes too. The hardest part is getting the car up a pair of ramps (for my 6spd SX). Oil filter is easily accessible and the price savings covered the cost of a new pair of ramps with two oil changes. I pre-filled my filter and ended up putting a total of 4.8L of oil in my Koup and it sat flush on the full mark, even checking it after sitting over night since I wanted to make sure I wasn't over doing it.

Like others said, I bought a six pack of filters and kept my receipt from my dealer's parts dept.

Just make sure you use a low profile ramp such as Rhino Ramps ($40 USD) and not the old style yellow metal ones as there is no clearance with them.

 

[BAF]

I checked the dipstick after driving several hundred miles - no air bubbles/foam/anything - looked like normal oil.

I took it back to the dealer and they told me they put in the right amount. With me standing in the service bay with the service manager, they proceeded to drain the oil. They showed me how much they drained - a bit under 4.5 quarts. I stood there as they put in the same amount of new oil - between 4 and 4.5 quarts. Oil was showing a bit overfilled on the dipstick. After the car sits all night, it's between 1/8 and 1/4" high the dipstick.

The dealer also told me almost all of the Fortes come "overfull" - and they've had complaints about the Sedona's too. I saw a couple of brand new cars on the lot - all above F, similar to my car. Maybe the dipstick is wrong or something?

Anyhow, it doesn't seem like the oil is being whipped up. I'm not burning or losing oil, and my gas mileage hasn't dropped or anything, so I'm going to let it be. I was told by KIA Consumer Affairs as well as the service manager that my warranty would not be affected. They also said the engine had a tolerance of 1 quart above and 1 quart below the full mark, to leave a margin of error. (1 quart below is the low mark, 1 quart above is unmarked).

So, in short, I'm not going to worry about it. Nothing bad seems to be going on, and I've seen with my own two eyes that the oil isn't grossly overfilled as it appears.

 

[punksmurph]

I had an oil over fill issue one time. I busted my oil cooler line from my turbo and the engine ended up eating the bottom quarter of my dip stick. With no way to tell how much oil I was losing I filled it based on how much was on the ground. I was about a quart over, the car ran horrible at idle but ran with no smoke. Only had to go a couple miles like that, and luckily no damage. The dip stick ended up at the bottom of the oil pan and did not suck up any were and hit something.

 

[corytate]

I checked the dipstick after driving several hundred miles - no air bubbles/foam/anything - looked like normal oil.

I took it back to the dealer and they told me they put in the right amount. With me standing in the service bay with the service manager, they proceeded to drain the oil. They showed me how much they drained - a bit under 4.5 quarts. I stood there as they put in the same amount of new oil - between 4 and 4.5 quarts. Oil was showing a bit overfilled on the dipstick. After the car sits all night, it's between 1/8 and 1/4" high the dipstick.

The dealer also told me almost all of the Fortes come "overfull" - and they've had complaints about the Sedona's too. I saw a couple of brand new cars on the lot - all above F, similar to my car. Maybe the dipstick is wrong or something?

Anyhow, it doesn't seem like the oil is being whipped up. I'm not burning or losing oil, and my gas mileage hasn't dropped or anything, so I'm going to let it be. I was told by KIA Consumer Affairs as well as the service manager that my warranty would not be affected. They also said the engine had a tolerance of 1 quart above and 1 quart below the full mark, to leave a margin of error. (1 quart below is the low mark, 1 quart above is unmarked).

So, in short, I'm not going to worry about it. Nothing bad seems to be going on, and I've seen with my own two eyes that the oil isn't grossly overfilled as it appears.

I agree with your thinking the dipstick might be wrong. I changed to castrol synthetic 5w30 the other day and checked the oil later and it LOOKED to be about a quart over. Alldata says oem specs for 2.0 should be 4.1 quarts, I put just a little bit over 4 qts in. So I'm thinking the dipstick is off for some reason.

 

[BAF]

If enough extra oil is added, the oil level will reach the crankshaft throws, and get whipped up into a froth as air is mixed in with the oil. If the froth gets sucked in by the oil pump for circulation through the engine, the surfaces that are normally lubricated by constant film of oil may instead have air injected on their surfaces. This is not a good thing. It's almost the same as having too little oil. If you think you put in too much oil, and you see a lot of foam on the dipstick afterward, you may have to drain some of the oil out.

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Yeah, there is no foaming. I pulled the dipstick immediately after driving several hundred miles and the oil wasn't foamy or anything, just looked normal, as expected. So I'm not too worried.

I agree with your thinking the dipstick might be wrong. I changed to castrol synthetic 5w30 the other day and checked the oil later and it LOOKED to be about a quart over. Alldata says oem specs for 2.0 should be 4.1 quarts, I put just a little bit over 4 qts in. So I'm thinking the dipstick is off for some reason.

Strange that nobody else seems to have noticed this. Maybe everyone else just doesn't check the oil, or doesn't fill according to spec, rather fills it to the full mark?

 

[BAF]

I did a DIY change today. Pre-filled the filter, dumped the rest of the oil in the motor, left about a half a quart left out of the 5 quarts I had, and it's NOT above full. I'm not sure what kind of black magic trickery was going on at the dealer, needless to say, I probably won't be taking the car back there.