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After day number 2 of owning my forte, i noticed both my headlights were fogged up. I went to the dealer.. the service manager grumbled that its normal, and walked off. I got super uber freaking mad and went to the GM. 50 minutes later, walks up to me and hands me a Technical Service Bulletin from march of this year. I will scan it and post it when i get home.

IT states that this is normal and can be eliminated by turning on the headlights. I was livid. I told the GM of course it will dry out by the heat of the bulbs!!! I told him i drove 50 miles to get there in the rain with the lights on. And they are still foggy. He basically says hes sorry, give me a tank of gas a puts me on my way.

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Headlight fogging is a normal occurrence and headlamp assembly replacement WILL NOT be necessary to resolve this issue. Applies to all models of Forte


But then they go into detail that if water pools in your lights to change them in the same TSB. Not so good for day number two. You know how serious i take my lights........:rolleyes:
 

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wait till you wash it and they all fog up. Tail lights too. how do you feel about those:D
 

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Throw them in the oven for a little and see if that seals them. I don't have any issues with my lights fogging up in bad weather or washing the car.
 

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Throw them in the oven for a little and see if that seals them. I don't have any issues with my lights fogging up in bad weather or washing the car.
haha.
Sorry, voids my warranty. My kenmore is good for 5 more years.......

If that really fixes them, i fear i will laugh to death. My kidneys can't take that.......
 

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haven't had a problem with my car... but then again I don't have a KOUP...
 

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TSB: Body 055 Date: March 2010 Model: All Models
Subject: Headlamp Fogging /Moisture Condition

This bulletin provides information relating to some Kia models that may experience fogging or condensation inside of the headlamp assembly. Generally, this condition is considered normal and can be eliminated by turning on the headlamps with the engine running for several minutes or during normal driving conditions. In most cases, this will clear the headlamp fogging condition. Headlamp assembly replacement WILL NOT be necessary in most cases.
 

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I have only noticed my headlights fog once while washing my car, and have not noticed any problems with them being dimmer while driving at night in the rain or anything.. but they also have not done it again while being washed so I dunno... lol
 

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TSB: Body 055 Date: March 2010 Model: All Models
Subject: Headlamp Fogging /Moisture Condition

This bulletin provides information relating to some Kia models that may experience fogging or condensation inside of the headlamp assembly. Generally, this condition is considered normal and can be eliminated by turning on the headlamps with the engine running for several minutes or during normal driving conditions. In most cases, this will clear the headlamp fogging condition. Headlamp assembly replacement WILL NOT be necessary in most cases.
Are you mocking me? Thought i was a fibber?? lol I need to scan that so everyone can see......
Bottom line, they aren't sealed right. I will get them replaced shortly and see how many pairs actually fog up. Do the tails really fog up also?
 

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My headlghts fogged up the very first time i washed my car. but nince then, they havent at all. its been raining here for a week straight and no problems yet.
 

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The headlights are not 'sealed' and in fact if they were actually sealed, then the fogging problem would be worse! If anything, the little vent sponge is wet/stuck/whatever and not allowing the moisture to escape, so check that.
 

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Why do you thing there are vent tubes near the low bulb? these aren't "sealed"... You never did say why to stay away from Premier Kia in Kenner?
 

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No problems here as of yet. But if you want you can go to the auto store and pick up some headlamp sealant. Bake the lights, take them apart, apply as much as you want then put them back together again. While your at it may as well paint the inner plastic black too and do some eyeline mods if you haven't yet. ;)

Side note though, that being claimed as "normal" sucks.
 

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even if you seal it, when you apply sealant and re-assemble you have several vents in the back that you will have to seal too. Just sayin
 

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Im not touching it. The manager offered to replace it. IF it pisses my wife off enough, ill tell her to go get them replaced. I wonder what was the design in that?..Dunno...
 

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Why do you thing there are vent tubes near the low bulb? these aren't "sealed"... You never did say why to stay away from Premier Kia in Kenner?
The 2 minutes i had the hood open, all my attention was on the intake, intake mani an exhaust mani, and the coolant overflow bottle. I didn't even look at the lights. My salesman said the service department will void all electrical if they find wire splicing. He could of been full of it... cut yours up and go see. :)
 

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Im not touching it. The manager offered to replace it. IF it pisses my wife off enough, ill tell her to go get them replaced. I wonder what was the design in that?..Dunno...
Used to work at a dealership and sadly it isn't a design. What it comes down too is technically it should be a recall but the pro's vs cons on such a thing don't add up enough to make it worth so.

Basically lets say enough condensation builds up in there to fry the head unit. In that case Kia replaces it under warranty since more developed within the head unit than is specified as "ok" in their latest info to dealerships. No big deal.

The reason you won't see a recall on this is because it's not something that has a high human injury possibility if a headlamp goes out as compared to say brakes for example. So Kia ways the options.
Chances are they will have to replace a few but overall by deeming such a thing as "ok" not all headlamps on the road will go bad and need to be replaced. So no big deal on their cost warranty wise.

If they were to admit fault on such a thing then every single forte on the road could go get new headlamps. Thus the cost to Kia goes up quite a bit because pretty much everyone who gets the recall notice would bring their car in for a brand new set of headlamps.

So as it stands it's not "working as intended" but when weighing the cost vs chance of human life loss or injury a faulty headlamp doesn't justify the cost factor or issuing a full recall. It sucks but that's the way it works.
 

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that shortens the life of the bulbs correct? Causes corrosion on the connector?
Just all around seems shitty for a 2 day old car. :(
 
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